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a follow up question regarding dissolving H2O insoluable compounds in DMSO

Zhong Silin via methods%40net.bio.net (by stxsz1 from nottingham.ac.uk)
Sun Dec 21 06:11:48 EST 2008


Hi
 
I saw the interesting discussion of dissolving PP1 in PBS.
 
I always take it for granted that one can dissolve water insoluble stuff in an organic solvent then add it to a water based solution. But I have never thought about it. Why is that possible? Why it wont precipitate out from the solution? That should still depends on the compound's solubility in water. Does it mean the organic solution is simply for a high concentration stock?
 
BTW, is there a database for drug solubility?
 
have a nice Xmas
 
SZ

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   1. Re: An inquiry (Dr. Hiranya S. Roychowdhury)
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   3. methylcellulose colony question (Scott Brown)
   4. RACE sequencing problem (Scott Brown)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:29:33 -0700 (MST)
From: "Dr. Hiranya S. Roychowdhury" <hroychow from nmsu.edu>
Subject: Re: An inquiry
To: "Shahrzad Jalali" <shahrzadjalali from gmail.com>
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I don't believe you can expect a solution of PP1 in PBS.  It will form a
colloidal suspension. A colloidal suspension will also elicit immune
response. Remember that the peritonial fluid is also polar and the PP1
will come out of solution there too. DMSO, however, does the rat very
little damage in microliter quantities intra-peritonially. I believe the
PBS is used to minimize any shock. PP1 is soluble also in ethanol, and it
may be a better alternative solvent for the injection. Just a thought!


> To whom it may concern,
>
> I am from U of Toronto and have recently joined to your group. Had some
> problems in dissolving a compound and was wondering if I can get any
> suggestion from the expert people.
>
> I have to do i.p. injections to the rats and the compound of interest is
> src
> kinase inhibitor PP1.
> http://www.biomol.com/SiteData/docs/productdata/ei275.pdf. As I got the
> information from the literature, it has been mentioned in several papers
> that this material is dissolved in DMSO and further diluted in the PBS
> prior
> to the injection to rats.
> In the data sheet of the company it is also mentioned that this material
> should be dissolved in DMSO (25 mg/ml). Each vial  had 5mg in it, I
> initially added 200ul of DMSO to that and completely dissolve it by
> pipetting up and down, but when I added PBS (as indicated in the papers),
> all the compound was precipitated and I got just a colloidal solution. The
> company did not have any suggestion, as they told that it is hydrophobic
> material. I don't know how the papers have done that. On the other hand I
> have to dilute it in PBS because injecting DMSO to the rats has other
> effects which can interfere with my experimental plan. I should mention
> that
> heating the compound up to 37C for several hours and its repetitive
> agitation did not help this compound go to the solution.
>
> I would appreciate if anybody can give  suggestion in this regard and
> urgently waiting for the nswer,
> Thanks,
> Shahrzad
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Hiranya S. Roychowdhury, Ph.D.
Asst. Professor,
Health & Public Services
Dona Ana Community College
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, NM 88003



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:23:03 +0530
From: "Jayanta Tarafdar" <jayanta.tcbckv from gmail.com>
Subject: RNAi
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 Dear Subscribers
Methods Digest

    We have been working on the backcross breeding of rice with transgenic
rice
   carrying RNAi gene against virus. Would anybody help me regarding use of
   non-radioactive probe for analysis of the transcript.
   I would appreciate if anybody can give  short-cut method in this regard
and
   urgently waiting for the answer.
   Jayanta
   India


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:33:48 +1100
From: "Scott Brown" <SBrown from ccia.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: methylcellulose colony question
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Hi,

I have been growing Nalm-6 colonies in methocult for about a year now, the ratio of media is 1.6ml methocult, 1.2ml IMDM and 1.2ml FCS with or without drug depending on what i am doing.
Has anyone had any experience with maintaining the methocult for at least 3 weeks, frequently my methocult looks as though is has dessicated, i have water in the incubator and i also plate 2 wells with PBS to ensure humidity...but...it still happens, any ideas or suggestions?

S

Scott Brown
PhD Candidate


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:38:40 +1100
From: "Scott Brown" <SBrown from ccia.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: RACE sequencing problem
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Hi,

I have been sequencing constructs about 1kb in size that i have obtained from a second race reaction, i have pruified the product, spec'd it and ensured when run on a gel i get a band.
This has worked for a while, however the last 1 or so constructs i have had sequenced have failed, the chromatogram looks as though the primer has not even bound to the template, it is simply noise that drops off to an almost undetectable signal.
Can anyone make any suggestions as to what I should be looking at to troubleshoot this? I sent my positive control as well as 1 sample from my next set of rave reactions to be sequenced, both were successful, then when i sent the remaining 8, all 8 failed.
Might i need to redesign my primer i am using for sequencing? Any other thoughts?

S

Scott Brown
PhD Candidate


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