From paavo from benthicscience.com Wed Sep 9 21:12:59 2009 From: paavo from benthicscience.com (Brian Paavo) Date: Wed Sep 9 21:15:24 2009 Subject: [Annelida] Paradoneis Message-ID: <4AA860AB.2010802@benthicscience.com> Aloha, I seem to be confused. A Paradoneis is very important to some work in a southeast New Zealand intertidal inlet. I would normally have called it Paradoneis lyra (Southern 1914). I just read a paper (citation below) with new descriptions including a new Paradoneis eliasoni. While the paper is well illustrated it seems to be missing some discussion of the characters needed to resolve some splits (or I may be missing some convention). Paradoneis eliasoni appears to be described from 2 anterior fragments and an 'almost complete' worm. I don't have a copy of the original Paradoneis lyra description. According to Table 3 in the publication, P. eliasoni has acicular neurochaetae in the far posterior segments. I grabbed some of our 2000+ specimens and they all have them. The table includes a strike rather than a question mark (no mention?) of these for P. lyra (Southern 1914). Both type localities are from the other side of the planet, P. lyra capensis (Day 1955) is from South Africa, but the pre-branchial notopodial lobes are present in our specimens, but Day may not have had specimens this large. Any thoughts? My diagnosis of our beast (made before seeing the paper): Conical prostomium slightly longer than wide, slit nuchal organs, branchiae start on chaetiger 4 and continue for 11-12 chaetigers [a little shorter than segment width), no eyes, no median antenna/scar, small notopodial lobes present on pre-branchial chaetigers larger in branchial chaetiger smaller in postbranchial chaetigers then very proporitionally large in extreme posterior, earliest observed forked chaetae on chaetiger 3 only one observed in each notopodium, posterior chaetigers with stout acicular chaetae (one each neuropodium) which is weakly hooked, 3 pygidial cirri. [I didn't note the capillary numbers] Aguirrezabalaga, F. and Gil, J. (2009) Paraonidae (Polychaeta) from the Capbreton Canyon (Bay of Biscay, NE Atlantic) with the description of eight new species. Scientia Marina 73(4): 631-666. Cheers, Brian -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brian Paavo, PhD Benthic Science Limited 1 Porterfield Street Macandrew Bay Dunedin 9014 New Zealand P/F +64-3-476-1712 M +64-021-189-3459 http://www.benthicscience.com ................................. From g.read from niwa.co.nz Thu Sep 10 00:33:10 2009 From: g.read from niwa.co.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Thu Sep 10 00:37:43 2009 Subject: [Annelida] Paradoneis In-Reply-To: <4AA860AB.2010802@benthicscience.com> References: <4AA860AB.2010802@benthicscience.com> Message-ID: <4AA93856.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> Hi Brian, With 2000 specimens, some of which must be good, you should be able to make a determination, if one is indeed possible. Usually I get sent battered short ant. fragments from New Zealand harbours that I don't venture beyond placing as a Paradoneis. We also have deeper water Paradoneis - bits and pieces. It was Andy Mackie (in Ophelia Suppl, 1991) who separated eliasoni off from lyra, and it (eliasoni) was found to be a deeper water species, with acicular posterior chaetae that are lacking in lyra. As yours are very shallow water and a different hemisphere the chances of your NZ worm (although also with acicular chaetae) being the same species is low. If that's the only known Paradoneis with acicular chaetae you probably have an unnamed taxon. There is a published record of P. lyra for NZ - in Kirkegaard, 1996, from 610m off West Coast, South Island. P. lyra is also commonly reported from estuaries around the world, but this is likely to be only because it is the best known of the genus. There are only 2 Paradoneis sequences in GenBank, & they not identified to a species. No help there yet. But that may be the best way these very morphologically uniform species can be worked out without agonising over natural variation, and whether my observed pointed branchiae are your blunt branchiae, etc. Words can only do so much. Not much in the way of Paradoneis in neighbouring Antarctica is there? Not sure whether Paradoneis belgicae (Fauvel, 1936) still belongs in the genus, but haven't checked it out. Geoff >>> On 10/09/2009 at 2:12 p.m., Brian Paavo wrote: > Aloha, > > I seem to be confused. A Paradoneis is very important to some work in a > southeast New Zealand intertidal inlet. I would normally have called it > Paradoneis lyra (Southern 1914). I just read a paper (citation below) > with new descriptions including a new Paradoneis eliasoni. While the > paper is well illustrated it seems to be missing some discussion of the > characters needed to resolve some splits (or I may be missing some > convention). Paradoneis eliasoni appears to be described from 2 > anterior fragments and an 'almost complete' worm. I don't have a copy > of the original Paradoneis lyra description. According to Table 3 in > the publication, P. eliasoni has acicular neurochaetae in the far > posterior segments. I grabbed some of our 2000+ specimens and they all > have them. The table includes a strike rather than a question mark (no > mention?) of these for P. lyra (Southern 1914). Both type localities > are from the other side of the planet, P. lyra capensis (Day 1955) is > from South Africa, but the pre-branchial notopodial lobes are present in > our specimens, but Day may not have had specimens this large. Any thoughts? > > My diagnosis of our beast (made before seeing the paper): Conical > prostomium slightly longer than wide, slit nuchal organs, branchiae > start on chaetiger 4 and continue for 11-12 chaetigers [a little shorter > than segment width), no eyes, no median antenna/scar, small notopodial > lobes present on pre-branchial chaetigers larger in branchial chaetiger > smaller in postbranchial chaetigers then very proporitionally large in > extreme posterior, earliest observed forked chaetae on chaetiger 3 only > one observed in each notopodium, posterior chaetigers with stout > acicular chaetae (one each neuropodium) which is weakly hooked, 3 > pygidial cirri. [I didn't note the capillary numbers] > > Aguirrezabalaga, F. and Gil, J. (2009) Paraonidae (Polychaeta) from > the Capbreton Canyon (Bay of Biscay, NE Atlantic) with the description > of eight new species. Scientia Marina 73(4): 631-666. > > > Cheers, > Brian NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. From eduardo.lopez from uam.es Thu Sep 10 03:12:12 2009 From: eduardo.lopez from uam.es (eduardo.lopez@uam.es) Date: Thu Sep 10 04:42:03 2009 Subject: [Annelida] Paradoneis In-Reply-To: <4AA93856.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> References: <4AA860AB.2010802@benthicscience.com> <4AA93856.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> Message-ID: <20090910101212.36676gr265h6pp0c@webmail.uam.es> Hi Brian, I'm sure your specimens don't belong to Aricidea belgicae (Fauvel, 1936). After revising quite a lot of Antarctic specimens none possessed forked notochaetae. I made a redescription of this species in PBSW, and the diagnostic characters dont' fit your taxon. It must be noted that neither the original description of Paraonis belgicae by Fauvel, nor the redescription provided by Hartley (1981) based on the type series (currently lost) mentioned any kind of furcate chaetae. All the best Eduardo L?PEZ Geoff Read escribi?: > Hi Brian, > > With 2000 specimens, some of which must be good, you should be able > to make a determination, if one is indeed possible. Usually I get > sent battered short ant. fragments from New Zealand harbours that I > don't venture beyond placing as a Paradoneis. We also have deeper > water Paradoneis - bits and pieces. > > It was Andy Mackie (in Ophelia Suppl, 1991) who separated eliasoni > off from lyra, and it (eliasoni) was found to be a deeper water > species, with acicular posterior chaetae that are lacking in lyra. > As yours are very shallow water and a different hemisphere the > chances of your NZ worm (although also with acicular chaetae) being > the same species is low. If that's the only known Paradoneis with > acicular chaetae you probably have an unnamed taxon. > > There is a published record of P. lyra for NZ - in Kirkegaard, 1996, > from 610m off West Coast, South Island. P. lyra is also commonly > reported from estuaries around the world, but this is likely to be > only because it is the best known of the genus. > > There are only 2 Paradoneis sequences in GenBank, & they not > identified to a species. No help there yet. But that may be the best > way these very morphologically uniform species can be worked out > without agonising over natural variation, and whether my observed > pointed branchiae are your blunt branchiae, etc. Words can only do > so much. > > Not much in the way of Paradoneis in neighbouring Antarctica is > there? Not sure whether Paradoneis belgicae (Fauvel, 1936) still > belongs in the genus, but haven't checked it out. > > Geoff > >>>> On 10/09/2009 at 2:12 p.m., Brian Paavo wrote: >> Aloha, >> >> I seem to be confused. A Paradoneis is very important to some work in a >> southeast New Zealand intertidal inlet. I would normally have called it >> Paradoneis lyra (Southern 1914). I just read a paper (citation below) >> with new descriptions including a new Paradoneis eliasoni. While the >> paper is well illustrated it seems to be missing some discussion of the >> characters needed to resolve some splits (or I may be missing some >> convention). Paradoneis eliasoni appears to be described from 2 >> anterior fragments and an 'almost complete' worm. I don't have a copy >> of the original Paradoneis lyra description. According to Table 3 in >> the publication, P. eliasoni has acicular neurochaetae in the far >> posterior segments. I grabbed some of our 2000+ specimens and they all >> have them. The table includes a strike rather than a question mark (no >> mention?) of these for P. lyra (Southern 1914). Both type localities >> are from the other side of the planet, P. lyra capensis (Day 1955) is >> from South Africa, but the pre-branchial notopodial lobes are present in >> our specimens, but Day may not have had specimens this large. Any thoughts? >> >> My diagnosis of our beast (made before seeing the paper): Conical >> prostomium slightly longer than wide, slit nuchal organs, branchiae >> start on chaetiger 4 and continue for 11-12 chaetigers [a little shorter >> than segment width), no eyes, no median antenna/scar, small notopodial >> lobes present on pre-branchial chaetigers larger in branchial chaetiger >> smaller in postbranchial chaetigers then very proporitionally large in >> extreme posterior, earliest observed forked chaetae on chaetiger 3 only >> one observed in each notopodium, posterior chaetigers with stout >> acicular chaetae (one each neuropodium) which is weakly hooked, 3 >> pygidial cirri. [I didn't note the capillary numbers] >> >> Aguirrezabalaga, F. and Gil, J. (2009) Paraonidae (Polychaeta) from >> the Capbreton Canyon (Bay of Biscay, NE Atlantic) with the description >> of eight new species. Scientia Marina 73(4): 631-666. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Brian > > > > > NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & > Atmospheric Research Ltd. > > _______________________________________________ > Annelida mailing list > Post: Annelida@net.bio.net > Help/archive: http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/annelida > Resources: http://www.annelida.net > From jdavenport from terraenv.com Thu Sep 10 08:47:41 2009 From: jdavenport from terraenv.com (Jennifer Davenport) Date: Thu Sep 10 12:23:51 2009 Subject: [Annelida] Paradoneis References: <4AA860AB.2010802@benthicscience.com> Message-ID: <455A25B8138FA04C8DF76A1AFF411BF7725C28@server01.terraenv.local> Brian, Hey! I had troubles identifying what I thought was Paradoneis lyra from Tampa Bay, FL, USA. I came across the following article, which you will want to check out. This article follows the opinion of Strelzov (1973) which synonymizes Paradoneis and Paraonides with Cirrophorus. This synonymization appears to be controversial and I am not sure which is commonly accepted amongst the polychaete community. Maybe others belonging to this forum will want to comment on this. Table 1 in McLelland and Gaston (1994) helped me sort out our local species and it may help you as well. The local specimens that I have fit Cirrophorus lyra, but I agree with Geoff on the fact that this species may not be as widely distributed as previously thought. Here are those citations: McLelland, J. A. & G. R. Gaston. 1994. Two new species of Cirrophorus (Polychaeta: Paraonidae) form the northern Gulf of Mexico. Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington 107 (3): 524-531. Strelzov, V. E. 1968. Polychaetous annelids of the family Paraonidae (Polychaeta, Sedentaria) of the Barents Sea. Academy of Sciences of the USSR, Kirov Kola affiliate, Murmansk Marine Biology Institute 17 (21): 74-95. Good luck! Jennifer Davenport Terra Environmental Services, Inc. 101 16th Avenue South, Suite 4 St. Petersburg, FL 33701 jdavenport@terraenv.com Office: (727) 565-4661 Cell: (727) 967-8450 Fax: (727) 565-4663 -----Original Message----- From: annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu [mailto:annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Paavo Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:13 PM To: annelida@magpie.bio.indiana.edu Subject: [Annelida] Paradoneis Aloha, I seem to be confused. A Paradoneis is very important to some work in a southeast New Zealand intertidal inlet. I would normally have called it Paradoneis lyra (Southern 1914). I just read a paper (citation below) with new descriptions including a new Paradoneis eliasoni. While the paper is well illustrated it seems to be missing some discussion of the characters needed to resolve some splits (or I may be missing some convention). Paradoneis eliasoni appears to be described from 2 anterior fragments and an 'almost complete' worm. I don't have a copy of the original Paradoneis lyra description. According to Table 3 in the publication, P. eliasoni has acicular neurochaetae in the far posterior segments. I grabbed some of our 2000+ specimens and they all have them. The table includes a strike rather than a question mark (no mention?) of these for P. lyra (Southern 1914). Both type localities are from the other side of the planet, P. lyra capensis (Day 1955) is from South Africa, but the pre-branchial notopodial lobes are present in our specimens, but Day may not have had specimens this large. Any thoughts? My diagnosis of our beast (made before seeing the paper): Conical prostomium slightly longer than wide, slit nuchal organs, branchiae start on chaetiger 4 and continue for 11-12 chaetigers [a little shorter than segment width), no eyes, no median antenna/scar, small notopodial lobes present on pre-branchial chaetigers larger in branchial chaetiger smaller in postbranchial chaetigers then very proporitionally large in extreme posterior, earliest observed forked chaetae on chaetiger 3 only one observed in each notopodium, posterior chaetigers with stout acicular chaetae (one each neuropodium) which is weakly hooked, 3 pygidial cirri. [I didn't note the capillary numbers] Aguirrezabalaga, F. and Gil, J. (2009) Paraonidae (Polychaeta) from the Capbreton Canyon (Bay of Biscay, NE Atlantic) with the description of eight new species. Scientia Marina 73(4): 631-666. 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EGE UNIVERSITY makes no warranty as to the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this message and hereby excludes any liability of any kind for the information contained therein or for the information transmission, reception, storage or use of such in any way whatsoever. The opinions expressed in this message belong to sender alone and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of EGE UNIVERSITY. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20090911/cd0ee8aa/attachment.html From gil from ceab.csic.es Fri Sep 11 10:00:18 2009 From: gil from ceab.csic.es (Joao Gil) Date: Fri Sep 11 15:57:06 2009 Subject: [Annelida] Paradoneis In-Reply-To: <4AA860AB.2010802@benthicscience.com> References: <4AA860AB.2010802@benthicscience.com> Message-ID: <83FF1F18E35E4092B469310EA9B2803D@ALCAGOITA> Dear Brian and all, Thanks for the interest in our paper. As already noted by Geoff, Paradoneis eliasoni was described by Mackie (1991), in the Proceedings of the IPC helded in Denmark. We just added a new record, for the Iberian coasts. In the same paper it is possible to find a good redescription of Paradoneis lyra, the type species of the genus. Personally, I agree with Mackie (1991) in that P. lyra has a much more restricted distribution than the one normally considered. Moreover, we are checking the possibility that in the western Mediterranean Sea there are as much as 3 different species being identified under Paradoneis lyra (besides Paradoneis ilvana Castelli 1985, which we also consider as a valid species). I can't imagine the number of valid species of Paradoneis that are waiting to be described all over the world, but it should be considerable. In what concerns the validity of the synonymy of Cirrophorus with Paradoneis, it depends on if you consider the presence or absence of a median antenna as a valid character in order to separate two genera of Paraonidae. We did, but until some solid phylogenetic study can be made on this matter, I don't see any problem in considering the two genera as synonymous, and describe new species without median antenna under Cirrophorus, as long as the new species is valid, well described, and justified. For each genus or subgenus with a new taxon in our paper (Aguirrezabalaga & Gil, 2009), we decided to add a table with the main morphological characters for all the hitherto described species, as we believe that this kind of tables are good and much needed taxonomic tools. We also thought that this was the best way to access a close identification of the specimen you have under your microscope, but as always in these cases, a more detailed confirmation is always desirable and/or required. For this reason we included one or two citations for each species, where more detailed descriptions can be found. We did our best in order to avoid errors in the tables, which were revised several (many) times. However, and following the unwritten rule that there will always remain some undetected errors, no matter how many times you revise the manuscript or the proofs, we apologize for any possible mistakes. Finally, the paper is open access in Scientia Marina, at the following link (it is the first paper of the issue): http://www.icm.csic.es/scimar/index.php/secId/6/IdNum/25/ This is all, I hope it can help in some way. I just would like to thank to Daniel Martin for his help during the revision of the manuscript (due to one of those mistakes I told you about, he is missing at the acknowlegments), and to everybody at Scientia Marina, for their patience! And to you, if you have read this until the end! ;) Any questions, don't hesitate in writing to us. We will happy to help! All the best, Jo?o Jo?o Gil CEAB-CSIC Carrer d'acc?s a la Cala Sant Francesc, 14 E-17300 BLANES (GIRONA) SPAIN Email: gil@ceab.csic.es Telef. (34) 972.33.61.01 Fax: (34) 972.33.78.06 -----Mensaje original----- De: annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu [mailto:annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu] En nombre de Brian Paavo Enviado el: jueves, 10 de septiembre de 2009 4:13 Para: annelida@magpie.bio.indiana.edu Asunto: [Annelida] Paradoneis Aloha, I seem to be confused. A Paradoneis is very important to some work in a southeast New Zealand intertidal inlet. I would normally have called it Paradoneis lyra (Southern 1914). I just read a paper (citation below) with new descriptions including a new Paradoneis eliasoni. While the paper is well illustrated it seems to be missing some discussion of the characters needed to resolve some splits (or I may be missing some convention). Paradoneis eliasoni appears to be described from 2 anterior fragments and an 'almost complete' worm. I don't have a copy of the original Paradoneis lyra description. According to Table 3 in the publication, P. eliasoni has acicular neurochaetae in the far posterior segments. I grabbed some of our 2000+ specimens and they all have them. The table includes a strike rather than a question mark (no mention?) of these for P. lyra (Southern 1914). Both type localities are from the other side of the planet, P. lyra capensis (Day 1955) is from South Africa, but the pre-branchial notopodial lobes are present in our specimens, but Day may not have had specimens this large. Any thoughts? My diagnosis of our beast (made before seeing the paper): Conical prostomium slightly longer than wide, slit nuchal organs, branchiae start on chaetiger 4 and continue for 11-12 chaetigers [a little shorter than segment width), no eyes, no median antenna/scar, small notopodial lobes present on pre-branchial chaetigers larger in branchial chaetiger smaller in postbranchial chaetigers then very proporitionally large in extreme posterior, earliest observed forked chaetae on chaetiger 3 only one observed in each notopodium, posterior chaetigers with stout acicular chaetae (one each neuropodium) which is weakly hooked, 3 pygidial cirri. [I didn't note the capillary numbers] Aguirrezabalaga, F. and Gil, J. (2009) Paraonidae (Polychaeta) from the Capbreton Canyon (Bay of Biscay, NE Atlantic) with the description of eight new species. Scientia Marina 73(4): 631-666. Cheers, Brian -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brian Paavo, PhD Benthic Science Limited 1 Porterfield Street Macandrew Bay Dunedin 9014 New Zealand P/F +64-3-476-1712 M +64-021-189-3459 http://www.benthicscience.com ................................. _______________________________________________ Annelida mailing list Post: Annelida@net.bio.net Help/archive: http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/annelida Resources: http://www.annelida.net From g.read from niwa.co.nz Sat Sep 12 01:30:09 2009 From: g.read from niwa.co.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Sat Sep 12 01:35:08 2009 Subject: [Annelida] Annelid phylogeny (& a rogue GenBank item still festers) Message-ID: <4AABE8AF.8045.00D5.0@niwa.co.nz> Hi all, FYI Zrzav? J, ??ha P, Pi?lek L, Janou?kovec J 2009. Phylogeny of Annelida (Lophotrochozoa): total-evidence analysis of morphology and six genes - art. no. 189. Bmc Evolutionary Biology 9: 189-189. Open access at: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/9/189 The authors provide a list of sequences used. Unfortunately, I see they (claim to have) used AY436349 for COI of Sabella spallanzanii in Sabellidae, a sequence I was warned some time ago was not of Sabella. This sequence is probably instead from a species close to Hermodice carunculata in Amphinomidae according to the BLAST report, and if you try the 'related sequences' link it comes up with Hermodice! Could hardly be more separated from what it purports to be and still be in the annelids. Unfortunately it seems to be the only public COI sequence for S. spallanzanii as yet in GenBank (that's also amazing!). As far as I can see only an abstract, and not the actual paper (Peres et al) as listed in GenBank, was ever published. There is still no annotation to warn about this mislabeled sequence in Genbank, so I mention it here. If actually used it doesn't appear to have upset the analysis. Geoff -- Geoff Read http://www.annelida.net/ http://www.niwa.co.nz/about-niwa *************************** NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. From LLovell from lacsd.org Mon Sep 14 15:05:14 2009 From: LLovell from lacsd.org (Lovell, Larry) Date: Mon Sep 14 15:17:01 2009 Subject: [Annelida] Paradoneis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My message with attachment did not get out through annelida, so I am resending it without the pdf. If anyone would like to receive it, please request it directly from me. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Lovell, Larry Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:55 PM To: 'Joao Gil'; 'annelida@magpie.bio.indiana.edu' Cc: 'paavo@benthicscience.com' Subject: RE: [Annelida] Paradoneis Dear Jo?o, Brian, and all, I have been reading the discussion thread Brian started on Paradoneis with interest. As several here have pointed out, there is disagreement on generic classification of paraonids with notopodial modified setae by authors. In my paper (Lovell, 2002) I chose to separate Paradoneis from Cirrophorus following Hartley (1981); Castelli (1988); Mackie (1991); and Blake (1996) by considering the presence/absence of a median antenna as a character of generic level weighting, as in other families such as Spionidae. I agree with Jo?o that there are probably many undescribed species of Paradoneis out there. In Southern California we report Paradoneis lyra, P. eliasoni, and a provisional species Paradoneis sp SD1 of Barwick 2000. I have attached a pdf of the Barwick's voucher sheet for his provisional. It does not seem to match any species in the Paradoneis table presented in Aguirrezabalaga & Gil, 2009. As Jo?o states, a phylogenetic study for this family would help resolve these issues and is badly needed. There is a benthic invertebrate DNA barcode initiative in Southern California being developed by Dr. Peter Miller at the Southern California Coastal Water Research Project. SCAMIT taxonomists at local POTWs are involved in collection and identifications to provide well documented properly identified specimens. Paraonids are well represented in our local POTW samples. This project might be able to contribute genetic material and information for a phylogenetic study. I encourage others to collect properly preserved and identified paraonids from other areas of the world that can be run for comparison. The broad reported distributions of species such as Aricidea (Acmira) catherinae, Aricidea (Acmira) simplex and Levinsenia gracilis is another area that would benefit from the availability of such genetic information. In a related familial comment, I have finally seen a complete specimen of Aricidea (Aedicira) pacifica and can confirm that there are no modified neurosetae present in the far posterior setigers. Worm regards, Larry Lawrence L. Lovell Biologist II Ocean Monitoring Research Group County Sanitation Districts of Los Angeles 24501 S. Figueroa St. Carson, CA 90745 (310) 830-2400 X-5613 office (310) 952-1065 fax llovell@lacsd.org -----Original Message----- From: annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu [mailto:annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu]On Behalf Of Joao Gil Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:00 AM To: annelida@magpie.bio.indiana.edu Cc: paavo@benthicscience.com Subject: RE: [Annelida] Paradoneis Dear Brian and all, Thanks for the interest in our paper. As already noted by Geoff, Paradoneis eliasoni was described by Mackie (1991), in the Proceedings of the IPC helded in Denmark. We just added a new record, for the Iberian coasts. In the same paper it is possible to find a good redescription of Paradoneis lyra, the type species of the genus. Personally, I agree with Mackie (1991) in that P. lyra has a much more restricted distribution than the one normally considered. Moreover, we are checking the possibility that in the western Mediterranean Sea there are as much as 3 different species being identified under Paradoneis lyra (besides Paradoneis ilvana Castelli 1985, which we also consider as a valid species). I can't imagine the number of valid species of Paradoneis that are waiting to be described all over the world, but it should be considerable. In what concerns the validity of the synonymy of Cirrophorus with Paradoneis, it depends on if you consider the presence or absence of a median antenna as a valid character in order to separate two genera of Paraonidae. We did, but until some solid phylogenetic study can be made on this matter, I don't see any problem in considering the two genera as synonymous, and describe new species without median antenna under Cirrophorus, as long as the new species is valid, well described, and justified. For each genus or subgenus with a new taxon in our paper (Aguirrezabalaga & Gil, 2009), we decided to add a table with the main morphological characters for all the hitherto described species, as we believe that this kind of tables are good and much needed taxonomic tools. We also thought that this was the best way to access a close identification of the specimen you have under your microscope, but as always in these cases, a more detailed confirmation is always desirable and/or required. For this reason we included one or two citations for each species, where more detailed descriptions can be found. We did our best in order to avoid errors in the tables, which were revised several (many) times. However, and following the unwritten rule that there will always remain some undetected errors, no matter how many times you revise the manuscript or the proofs, we apologize for any possible mistakes. Finally, the paper is open access in Scientia Marina, at the following link (it is the first paper of the issue): http://www.icm.csic.es/scimar/index.php/secId/6/IdNum/25/ This is all, I hope it can help in some way. I just would like to thank to Daniel Martin for his help during the revision of the manuscript (due to one of those mistakes I told you about, he is missing at the acknowlegments), and to everybody at Scientia Marina, for their patience! And to you, if you have read this until the end! ;) Any questions, don't hesitate in writing to us. We will happy to help! All the best, Jo?o Jo?o Gil CEAB-CSIC Carrer d'acc?s a la Cala Sant Francesc, 14 E-17300 BLANES (GIRONA) SPAIN Email: gil@ceab.csic.es Telef. (34) 972.33.61.01 Fax: (34) 972.33.78.06 -----Mensaje original----- De: annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu [mailto:annelida-bounces@oat.bio.indiana.edu] En nombre de Brian Paavo Enviado el: jueves, 10 de septiembre de 2009 4:13 Para: annelida@magpie.bio.indiana.edu Asunto: [Annelida] Paradoneis Aloha, I seem to be confused. A Paradoneis is very important to some work in a southeast New Zealand intertidal inlet. I would normally have called it Paradoneis lyra (Southern 1914). I just read a paper (citation below) with new descriptions including a new Paradoneis eliasoni. While the paper is well illustrated it seems to be missing some discussion of the characters needed to resolve some splits (or I may be missing some convention). Paradoneis eliasoni appears to be described from 2 anterior fragments and an 'almost complete' worm. I don't have a copy of the original Paradoneis lyra description. According to Table 3 in the publication, P. eliasoni has acicular neurochaetae in the far posterior segments. I grabbed some of our 2000+ specimens and they all have them. The table includes a strike rather than a question mark (no mention?) of these for P. lyra (Southern 1914). Both type localities are from the other side of the planet, P. lyra capensis (Day 1955) is from South Africa, but the pre-branchial notopodial lobes are present in our specimens, but Day may not have had specimens this large. Any thoughts? My diagnosis of our beast (made before seeing the paper): Conical prostomium slightly longer than wide, slit nuchal organs, branchiae start on chaetiger 4 and continue for 11-12 chaetigers [a little shorter than segment width), no eyes, no median antenna/scar, small notopodial lobes present on pre-branchial chaetigers larger in branchial chaetiger smaller in postbranchial chaetigers then very proporitionally large in extreme posterior, earliest observed forked chaetae on chaetiger 3 only one observed in each notopodium, posterior chaetigers with stout acicular chaetae (one each neuropodium) which is weakly hooked, 3 pygidial cirri. [I didn't note the capillary numbers] Aguirrezabalaga, F. and Gil, J. (2009) Paraonidae (Polychaeta) from the Capbreton Canyon (Bay of Biscay, NE Atlantic) with the description of eight new species. Scientia Marina 73(4): 631-666. Cheers, Brian -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brian Paavo, PhD Benthic Science Limited 1 Porterfield Street Macandrew Bay Dunedin 9014 New Zealand P/F +64-3-476-1712 M +64-021-189-3459 http://www.benthicscience.com ................................. _______________________________________________ Annelida mailing list Post: Annelida@net.bio.net Help/archive: http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/annelida Resources: http://www.annelida.net _______________________________________________ Annelida mailing list Post: Annelida@net.bio.net Help/archive: http://www.bio.net/biomail/listinfo/annelida Resources: http://www.annelida.net From h.rousham from nhm.ac.uk Wed Sep 16 08:52:53 2009 From: h.rousham from nhm.ac.uk (Harry Rousham) Date: Wed Sep 16 14:30:49 2009 Subject: [Annelida] SYNTHESYS Call announcement Message-ID: Dear Christos Arvantidis, Please could you do me the honour of circulating this email to members of the MedOBIS Discussion Group (Annelida) who may be interested in applying for short term research visits to European natural history collections? Many thanks in advance. Dear Scientist, New Call Deadline; 16th October 2009, (17:00 UK time). The SYNTHESYS Office is pleased to announce the start of the new SYNTHESYS project and has now opened its first Call for proposals under the European Commission's FPVII European-funded Integrating Activities funding scheme. SYNTHESYS funding is available to provide scientists (Users) based in European Member, Associate and Candidate States to undertake short visits to utilise the infrastructure (comprising the collections, staff expertise and analytical facilities) at one of the 16 partner institutions (see full list below) for the purposes of their research. Taxonomic Access Facilities (TAFs) The 16 partner institutions are organised into 10 national TAFs. TAF Users will be hosted by a TAF staff member (Host). The 10 TAFs represent an unparalleled resource for taxonomic research offering: * collections amounting to over 324 million natural history specimens, including 3.3 million type specimens * internationally renowned taxonomic and systematic skill base * chemical analysis, molecular and imaging facilities. Proposals for funding are welcomed from high-calibre researchers seeking access for short-term visits (average duration 15 days). SYNTHESYS is able to meet the Users' costs for: * Research costs* * International travel * Local accommodation while based at the TAF * A per diem to contribute towards living costs and travel to/from international departure points * Research related costs including bench fees and consumables (including molecular biology at some TAFs). See www.synthesys.info for more information or contact synthesys@nhm.ac.uk N.B. If you previously applied for funding under the SYNTHESYS FPVI project, you can view your previous applications and update details of your evaluation and outputs at the following address: http://www.synthesys.info/synthesys_old/ Please pass this information on to anyone you think may be interested. Best wishes, Harry Rousham SYNTHESYS Administrator ----------------------------------------------------------- SYNTHESYS Partners See Also: TAF Contact Details AT-TAF Naturhistorisches Museum, Wien BE-TAF Royal Belgian Institute of Natural Sciences; Koninklijik Museum voor Midden-Afrika DE-TAF Museum fur Naturkunde; Botanischer Garten und Botanisches Museum ES-TAF Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales; Real Jard?n Bot?nico Naturales DK-TAF The Natural History Museum of Denmark FR-TAF Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle GB-TAF Natural History Museum; Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew; Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh HU-TAF Hungarian Natural History Museum NL-TAF University van Amsterdam; Nationaal Herbarium Nederland; National Natural History Museum Naturalis SE-TAF Naturhistoriska Riksmuseet The SYNTHESYS Partners are inviting applications from researchers based in the Member States of the EU: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark (including Greenland), Estonia, Finland, France (including Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guyane, La R?union), Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom. Plus the Associated Countries of the EU: Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, FYR Macedonia, Iceland, Israel, Liechtenstein, Montenegro, Norway, Republic of Serbia, Switzerland and Turkey. It is hoped that the Pharoe Islands will be associated and eligible for support in 2010. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20090916/534a966c/attachment.html From gread from actrix.gen.nz Wed Sep 16 15:06:39 2009 From: gread from actrix.gen.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Wed Sep 16 15:07:48 2009 Subject: [Annelida] Fwd: Help: Paraleonnates uschakovi specimen Message-ID: <04515287ea9acb2aa41e022ddad7a7bd.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Forwarded for list. Didn't pass through list filters independently. Moderator. ================================================ From: ??? To: "annelida@net.bio.net " , " g.read@niwa.cri.nz " Date: 9/16/2009 7:32 p.m. Subject: Help: Paraleonnates uschakovi specimen Dear Geoff Read and polychaete's supporters My name is Jumin Jun, and I'm researching about paraleonnates uschakovi using morphology and molecular data But I can't get any specimen of the species in South Korea Is there any one who has specimens or tissue of the Paraleonnates uschakovi? I really need the specimens... Please, reply to me(email: jjm0622@korea.kr, kjdjjm@gmail.com) Best wishes, Jumin Jun Jumin Jun Biological Reousrces Coordination Division National Institute of Biological Resources Environmental Research Complex, Gyoungseo-dong, Seo-gu, Incheon, Korea 404-170 Tel : 82-32-590-7117 Email : jjm0622@korea.kr, kjdjjm@gmail.com From barbara.mikac from cim.irb.hr Wed Sep 23 08:00:10 2009 From: barbara.mikac from cim.irb.hr (Barbara Mikac) Date: Wed Sep 23 14:24:05 2009 Subject: [Annelida] help with Polycirrus and Polydora/Dipolydora keys Message-ID: <1253710810.11050.13.camel@posidonia> Dear colleagues, Can some of you recommend me some good/available papers/keys for the determination of the genus Polycirrus and Poldora/Dipolydora? I find it very difficult for determination and didn't manage to do it with the help of the scarce literature that I have. I need to determine species coming from the Adriatic Sea (Polycirrus species in the Adriatic Sea are: P. aurantiacus, P. haematodes, P. pallidus, P. tenuisetis; Polydora species in the Adriatic are: P. ciliata and P. hoplura; Dipolydora are: D. armata, D. caeca, D. flava and D. quadrilobata). Most of my Polycirrus species have pinnate notochaetae. Many thanks for your help, and greetings from Rovinj Barbara _________ Barbara Mikac, M.Sc Marine Research Centre Rudjer Boskovic Institute G. Paliaga 5 52210 Rovinj Croatia From g.read from niwa.co.nz Tue Sep 29 16:58:21 2009 From: g.read from niwa.co.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Tue Sep 29 17:00:39 2009 Subject: [Annelida] News drought Message-ID: <4AC339CD.8045.00D5.1@niwa.co.nz> Hi all, Whatsup? Just to remind you that the list Annelida exists, and you are subscribed. In two minutes looking I didn't find a fresh worms-in-the-news story but maybe you haven't seen this. It's about Lumbriculus variegatus "the popular lab worm" "Animals That Seem Identical May Be Completely Different Species" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090422121858.htm by "... twice as much as the equivalent difference between humans and chimpanzees." Geoff -- Geoff Read http://www.annelida.net/ http://www.niwa.co.nz/about-niwa *************************** NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. From g.read from niwa.co.nz Tue Sep 29 17:47:11 2009 From: g.read from niwa.co.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Tue Sep 29 17:49:06 2009 Subject: [Annelida] Rhynchonereella good Rhynchonerella bad? Message-ID: <4AC3453F.8045.00D5.1@niwa.co.nz> Dear all, The name Rhynchonerella (Alciopidae) is a very deeply entrenched misspelling, one I have also unfortunately used in print, although Hartman 1959 has the correct Rhynchonereella, double e double ell, in her catalogue, and the correct citation in her bibliography. At the moment I think this is just a simple matter of using Costa's original spelling. If anyone has thoughts or advice on this issue or knows where the conflicting usages have been discussed in a publication please let me know. We are currently trying to reconcile the WoRMS entries so they are correct & consistent (so I don't need to know about what is currently there thanks). The name was published in Costa 1864 ("Illustrazione Iconografica ..." paper, NOT the often-quoted 1862 'Descrizione di alcuni Anellidi' paper - I've verified this myself, so I don't think I need advice on that either thanks, but feel free to check with your own eyes :-)) Hope the above wasn't too arcane for the big picture guys. Geoff -- Geoff Read http://www.annelida.net/ http://www.niwa.co.nz/about-niwa *************************** NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd. From KkSc from novozymes.com Wed Sep 30 01:41:49 2009 From: KkSc from novozymes.com (KKSC (Kirk Matthew Schnorr)) Date: Wed Sep 30 03:56:18 2009 Subject: [Annelida] Terebella lapidaria Message-ID: Hi Annelida group, Can anyone point me to a description of the habitat and lifestyle of Terebella lapidaria? Best Regards Kirk Matthew Schnorr Science Manager Novozymes A/S Krogshoejvej 36 2880 Bagsvaerd Denmark Phone: +45 44467321 Mobile: +45 30777321 E-mail: kksc@novozymes.com Novozymes A/S (reg. no.: 10007127). Registered address: Krogshoejvej 36 DK-2880 Bagsvaerd, Denmark This e-mail (including any attachments) is for the intended addressee(s) only and may contain confidential and/or proprietary information protected by law. You are hereby notified that any unauthorized reading, disclosure, copying or distribution of this e-mail or use of information herein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient you should delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20090930/a4f2b823/attachment.html From azhadan1 from gmail.com Wed Sep 30 03:51:37 2009 From: azhadan1 from gmail.com (Anna Zhadan) Date: Wed Sep 30 03:57:33 2009 Subject: [Annelida] new polychaete papers available Message-ID: Dear all, new issue of Invertebrate Zoology is available at: http://www.nature.ok.ru/invertebrates/abstracts.htm There are two polychaete papers: 1. A.E. Zhadan, A.B. Tzetlin. Polychaetes from deep pelagic zone of the Mid-Atlantic ridge. 2. I.A. Jirkov. Revision of Ampharetidae (Polychaeta) with modified thoracic notopodia. Anna -- Anna Zhadan, PhD White Sea Biological Station Biological faculty Moscow State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/annelida/attachments/20090930/a373648e/attachment.html From g.read from niwa.co.nz Wed Sep 30 15:05:32 2009 From: g.read from niwa.co.nz (Geoff Read) Date: Wed Sep 30 15:14:53 2009 Subject: [Annelida] Terebella lapidaria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AC470DB.8045.00D5.1@niwa.co.nz> Hello Kirk, If this is what McIntosh called Leprea lapidaria, (Linnaeus, 1767), then there is quite a bit of background information in: McIntosh WC 1923. A monograph of the British marine annelids. Polychaeta, Hermellidae to Sabellidae. Ray Society 4: 1-250. Online at www.archive.org http://www.archive.org/details/monographofbriti00mcinrich Geoff >>> On 9/30/2009 at 7:41 p.m., "KKSC (Kirk Matthew Schnorr)" wrote: > Hi Annelida group, > Can anyone point me to a description of the habitat and lifestyle of > Terebella lapidaria? > > > Best Regards > Kirk Matthew Schnorr > Science Manager > > Novozymes A/S > Krogshoejvej 36 > 2880 Bagsvaerd Denmark -- Geoff Read http://www.annelida.net/ http://www.niwa.co.nz/about-niwa *************************** NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research Ltd.